Post by johnjacobjingleheimerschmidt on Oct 19, 2005 16:04:30 GMT -5
I've got to say that, for once, Blough, you and I agree on this point, i'm extremely interested to see where it goes. I'd also just like to comment that I really enjoy the way you phrased that...
anyway, in response to Bryan, I never said anything about China not having the resources required for expansion in terms of money. What I was talking about mroe specifically was the will to expand, as well as the make up of their military. Blough has already addressed one, if not both of these arguments, however, I feel I should further explain this stance. The Chinese, as a people, have never really been interested in expansion. There was one Chinese dynasty under whom the area of China increased a reasonable ammount(i believe teh Qin?). Anyway, Historically the Chinese have been distrustful of so-called 'barbarians,' their word for foriegners, and so have not really seen any need for outward expansion. It's funny, really, because China was about half the size it is today until the last dynasty(which by the way, was NOT chinese, it was actually Manchu), the Qing, took control of all that is China today, in adition to Cambodia, Korea, Vietnam. So, MY point is, historically China, as a Chinese nation, has not been interested in territorial expansion. However, recently(I've seen it within the last year or so, though recently it's becoming more evident), China has begun extending its political and financial arms all over the globe. Including largely nations that we are unwilling to have dealings with. Now it's funny, because China has a huge market, which our corporations are extremely earnest to get their claws into, GM, for example, gets 25% of its revenue from China, but we are, at the same time as askign them to open their markets to us, saying that they are a horrible government, with much to learn in terms of treatmetn of their people. seem odd? it did to me. why China doesn't just say "fine, you don't like our way of life? then don't get involved" and kick us out, well, it's not beyond me, but why we leave that threat open is.
China IS an up-and-coming power, there is no denying that, i think, and especially now with their increase in military spending(more specifically the downsizing of the army and better training/equiping of that army). I almost want to see us go to war with china...just to see who would win...anyway, whether they do or not, Blough's last paragraph is a pretty good synopsis of the situation i think.
this was taken from a CNN article.
i had to laugh at this...the nerve of good ol' don! *chuckles* how would you like it if the Chinese asked to see norad? ...to the point of this littel part of my post...i can understand why we'd be going in and checking out their military, but...i mean come on, we certainly have balls just prancing in there saying "hey! you should show us all of what you're up to and what you've been spending all your military budget on and exactly how much your budget is this year...TELL ME NOW!" ...reactions?
it makes a lot more sense if they aren't terribly depressed by the idea of American combat operations on the continent again.
anyway, in response to Bryan, I never said anything about China not having the resources required for expansion in terms of money. What I was talking about mroe specifically was the will to expand, as well as the make up of their military. Blough has already addressed one, if not both of these arguments, however, I feel I should further explain this stance. The Chinese, as a people, have never really been interested in expansion. There was one Chinese dynasty under whom the area of China increased a reasonable ammount(i believe teh Qin?). Anyway, Historically the Chinese have been distrustful of so-called 'barbarians,' their word for foriegners, and so have not really seen any need for outward expansion. It's funny, really, because China was about half the size it is today until the last dynasty(which by the way, was NOT chinese, it was actually Manchu), the Qing, took control of all that is China today, in adition to Cambodia, Korea, Vietnam. So, MY point is, historically China, as a Chinese nation, has not been interested in territorial expansion. However, recently(I've seen it within the last year or so, though recently it's becoming more evident), China has begun extending its political and financial arms all over the globe. Including largely nations that we are unwilling to have dealings with. Now it's funny, because China has a huge market, which our corporations are extremely earnest to get their claws into, GM, for example, gets 25% of its revenue from China, but we are, at the same time as askign them to open their markets to us, saying that they are a horrible government, with much to learn in terms of treatmetn of their people. seem odd? it did to me. why China doesn't just say "fine, you don't like our way of life? then don't get involved" and kick us out, well, it's not beyond me, but why we leave that threat open is.
China IS an up-and-coming power, there is no denying that, i think, and especially now with their increase in military spending(more specifically the downsizing of the army and better training/equiping of that army). I almost want to see us go to war with china...just to see who would win...anyway, whether they do or not, Blough's last paragraph is a pretty good synopsis of the situation i think.
this was taken from a CNN article.
The Chinese, however, denied Rumsfeld's request to visit the Western Hills command center, an underground facility that serves as a national military command post. No foreigner is believed to have been inside Western Hills.
i had to laugh at this...the nerve of good ol' don! *chuckles* how would you like it if the Chinese asked to see norad? ...to the point of this littel part of my post...i can understand why we'd be going in and checking out their military, but...i mean come on, we certainly have balls just prancing in there saying "hey! you should show us all of what you're up to and what you've been spending all your military budget on and exactly how much your budget is this year...TELL ME NOW!" ...reactions?